that's not smart government. >> and, stuart, that's a big hit in the pentagon. we know there's waste over there but a big hit immediately. >> yeah, but, jonathan, you opened the show correctly with the most powerful person in the world saying it's not going to happen. i can't believe given his extraordinary communication powers he can't get people together, talk to the country and solve this problem. it doesn't look like he's really trying very hard. i mean, it's just not the top item on his agenda and he's made that clear. >> you're endorsing the cruise ship idea. >> i like the cruise ship idea particularly if they can maybe come close to being hit by a meteorite because you could keep it all together. it would be a huge cable bonanza. but this is a test of leadership. i mean this is why we have in our system a president. he's a leader. he's going to lead us through this crisis and it's just not happening? >> all right. we have to take a very quick break. we'll have lots more roundtable ahead and take on those breaking developments on immigration reform plus ch